Many of us with property on top of Spruce mountain have wished for commerical AC power for years. While most of us get by with solar/wind and batteries/inverters, commerical power would open up new windows for us. Some of use have been in contact with APS to see about gettng power brought in to Mohawk 3/4 and Lonstar. We have got a wide range of estimates from FREE to $139,000.
According to the "SERVICE SCHEDULE 3 CONDITIONS GOVERNING EXTENSIONS OF ELECTRIC DISTRIBUTION LINES AND SERVICES:"
Provision of electric service from Arizona Public Service Company (Company) may require construction of new facilities or upgrades to existing facilities. Costs for construction depend on the customer's location, load size, and load characteristics. This schedule establishes the terms and conditions under which Company will extend its facilities to provide new or upgraded facilities.
All extensions are made on the basis of economic feasibility. Construction allowance and revenue basis methodologies are offered below for use in circumstances where feasibility is generally accepted because of the number of extensions made within the construction allowance and dollar limits.
All extensions shall be made in accordance with good utility construction practices, as determined by Company, and are subject to the availability of adequate capacity, voltage and company facilities at the beginning point of an extension also as determined by Company.
The following policy governs the extension of overhead and underground electric facilities, and underground facilities as specified in Section 6, to customers whose requirements are deemed by Company to be usual and reasonable in nature.
1. FOOTAGE BASIS - RESIDENTIAL ONLY
1.1 GENERAL POLICY - Footage basis extensions may be made only if all of the following conditions exist:
1.1.1 The applicant is a new permanent residential customer or group of new permanent residential customers. Customers specified in Section 4 below are not eligible for this allowance.
1.1.2 The total extension does not exceed 2,000 feet per customer and under no circumstances can the total allowable distance exceed 10,000 feet.
1.1.3 The total extension does not exceed a total construction cost of $25,000.
1.1.4 No construction allowance will be permitted beyond the shortest practical route to the nearest practical point of delivery on each customer's site as determined by Company.
1.2 FREE EXTENSIONS - May be made if the conditions specified in Section 1.1 are met and:
1.2.1 The free extension will be limited to a maximum of 1,000 feet per new permanent residential customer.
1.2.2 Free allowance for the total extension will be 1,000 feet per customer regardless of the customer¹s location along the route of the extension.
1.3 EXTENSIONS OVER THE FREE DISTANCE
For extensions which meet the conditions specified in Section 1.1 above, and which exceed the free distance specified in Section 1.2.1, Company may extend its facilities up to the maximum allowed in Section 1.1.2 provided the customer or customers will sign an extension agreement and advance the cost of such additional footage. Advances are subject to refund as specified in Section 5.
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Communications
From: Anthony.Crnkovich@aps.com
To: phxjeff@hposoft.com
Subject: RE: Power to Spruce Mountain
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:47:18 -0700Hi Jeff,
APS has a number of different extension policies. One of them is based strictly on a footage basis. On the footage basis we will extend free of charge for 1000'. The footage basis extension assumes readily available access to site by vehicles and equipment, two hours or less of tree trimming, and the employment of normal construction methods.
I can use the footage extension as long as the job does not go over 1000', or a total job cost of $25,000.00. If the footage goes over the free distance, then we charge $9.07 per foot up to 2000', as long as the cost stays within the 25K range. In the event one of those conditions is exceeded, then we figure the job on an Economic Feasibility Basis, and the dollars are paid, in advance, by the customer, with a portion of that being refundable, and a portion being nonrefundable.
Also, there are no provisions for making payments. All monies are paid up front. I think the best option for us right now, is to let me do the field check, take some measurements, and give you a ballpark figure.
Tony
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From: Jeff Hopkins [mailto:phxjeff@hposoft.com]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:36 PM
To: Crnkovich, Anthony J(H29223) Cc: MLDelany@aol.com
Subject: RE: Power to Spruce MountainHello Tony,
There are I believe 4 sections to Mohawk 3. My neighbor Keith Davies owns the southern most section as well as part of Mohawk 4. That is right next to the people that have power now (so I'm told). Since he wants power to his place on Mohawk 4 I am pretty sure he would have no problems with having the utilities across his land.
Since my place is "on the way" to his, if he has power I should be able to too. Since I have never done this and I could not get much from the APS web site, how does this work. Do the customers have to pay for having power brought in even after paying for the power? Is there a way to make payments on any cost for bringing power in? What are the cost factors? While I am not trying to pin you down for cost, I would like to get a rough ballpark idea on what the cost might be.
Thanks.
Jeff
At 12:22 -0700 05/04/2007, Anthony.Crnkovich@aps.com wrote:
>Hi Jeff, > >
I did not check that option when I went up there. There are a couple things to consider. What kind of access do we have there, from the power source to your cabin? Also, do you know those property owners? I am thinking about easement issues, and whether or not they would grant them. If there is no road, then tree trimming will >also be an issue, perhaps even with a road. > >I will be going up again on Monday, and I'll take another look from that direction, and let you know what I have seen. >
>Tony
From: MLDelany@aol.com
To: Anthony.Crnkovich@aps.com,
Subject: Re: spruce mtn
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:15:47 -0700Hello Tony,
Thank you for the reply. However it is quite a bit different than you originally explained. You originally said 1000' for "free." You also seem to still think that you need an easement from the Forest Service. That is not so. I'm holding all the easements right here in my hand.
>From the existing power on Mohawk 3, serving three properties, (parcels 104-05-029G, 104-05-029K, and 104-05-029B) to Keith Davis' property is 0' (parcel 104-05-029T, they are abutting neighbors, both on Mohawk 3 See land survey map LS64/85. To Jeff Hopkins, from Keith Davis is far less than 1000', it is approximately 600' to his cabin from the lower (North Side) of Keith Davis' land. You must also have obtained, since power is installed there, easements from the three parcels above. Keith will grant you easement through parcel 104-05-029T, to reach the recorded easements Book 1071, pages 805-807 "50' Ingress, Egress, Utilities."
That easement connects to FLPMA Easement Book 41 of LS, p 43 or (LS 41/43) approximately 650' to Ernie Power's land, parcel 1 of MS 694, recorded easement for Ingress Egress Utility LS 41/46, and book 3481, page 399.
I think once you view these easements and survey maps you will see the complete route has all the easements necessary across all Forest Service land, and each leg is less than 1000'. These established and recorded easements will reach every property on Lonestar (MS 694 and 695, Mohawk 3 and Mohawk 4, 15 separate owners in all.
I have held property in Walker with power for 30 years. The power is generally run tree to tree, there is little if any trimming we can certainly arrange the surveyed rout to be cleared for 1/100 of what you quoted to Ernie Power.
I get the sense APS does not want to provide power here, which would seem to conflict with the Corporate Commission's established policy, and APS agreements. I also have a complete copy of APS Forest Service easement agreements, maps, etc. You can use any existing road, like 52A, or 9404G, Trail 67 (FLPMA), etc. All the private land has easements to the public across them, for utilities, 50' wide.
I'd like to meet in person at your office, would that be possible? I can bring my attorney to review the easements with you, if that helps. I can also pull the easements and APS agreements with the three existing APS customers on Mohawk 3, if that helps.
Please call me, and let me know a good time for you to meet.
Thanks,
Marc Delany 928 541 1883
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From: Anthony.Crnkovich@aps.com>Anthony.Crnkovich@aps.com
To: tarap@pwrcom.com>tarap@pwrcom.com
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: RE: power to powerGood morning,
Let me start off by saying that I have not forgotten you. I have been very busy these days.
I don't believe this extension to Jeff Hopkins will impact your request. I have two different options for serving the properties up there.
The first option I looked at for you, was to come from the west. That extension would be roughly 2640' (1/2 mi), and the cost can be anywhere from $79,000.00 to $132,000.00. This is using our current extension policy.
Perhaps this could be split up between the Teagardens, Brady, Hicks, anyone else in the area who would like to contribute. Extending to them would be have to be added costs. I have not looked at that. Only the first extension, which will end at the gates.
The next option I looked at for you, was to come from the north to serve Davis, then Hopkins, then on to you and the other owners.. I would expect the cost to be relatively close. There would be an excessive amount of tree trimming costs that would have to be factored in.
All of these costs and footages are rough estimates. Actual footages would have to come after our survey crew does their work. Actual costs would come after I have a design in process, with all of the materials and tree trimming included.
Getting easements from property owners, and the Forest Service, is another issue that would have to be worked out, and that will take time. I have heard timeframes of six months to a year and a half.
I have had only two Service Applications returned to me. One is yours, the other is from Keith and Brenda Davis. If by chance you are speaking with the other property owners, please encourage them to get those Applications back to me.
I'm sure there will be many more questions, and I will respond to them the best that I can.
Tony Crnkovich
APS Prescott Address: APS, 120 N. Marina St., Prescott, AZ. 86301
Application (click for full size):
Created
11 June 2007
Modified 11 June 2007
